234254I have read all of the advice and learnt a lot. Thanks all cuties. These are really lovely but understand how hearbreaking it is after all the hours and materials to have this happen. Know how mad I have been when I have had the same problem. Thanks for sharing this with me.
27028Chris, I just had a look at the round FSL Christmas ornaments on the SOE website and the actual stitchout have the same problem. hugs Helen
http://www.secretsof.com/content/...
39739Chris-these are beautiful. I don't know how big they actually are, but looking at them makes me think of those ponytail "barrettes" you know-the kind where you use a stick-similar to an manicure orange stick to loop the fancy pc. in front-the stick in one side,under the ponytail and back up through the other side of the fancy pc.-they would be so pretty for something like that. Great job! ~linda~
by pennifold
13 Sep 2011
Yes they do look like barrettes Linda. These were made in the 4x4 hoop! Love Chris
20173I still haven't taken the plunge and tried FSL, seems difficult, and now it seems dissapointing when you wait all the time to stitch it out, and then it comes apart after washing. So sorry for your frustration. They still look beautiful!! Hugs for you, Carolyn
by pennifold
12 Sep 2011
If you get a good digitised design then you should have no worries. These just didn't work for me. Love Chris
4550wowwwww...beautiful work!!!
by pennifold
12 Sep 2011
Thanks Dani - but I'm not using these for my ladies luncheon. I've made others instead. Love Chris
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1315Have a realy good close up look at other cuties fsl and you will find most of them have visable threads that shouldn't be there. "shirlener88" seems to have it perfect, but I know I am in the same boat as you. when you find the answer, please pass it on. xx
by pennifold
12 Sep 2011
Hi Lyn, I got other designs as there was obviously a fault in these as the outer satin stitch does not cover the inner stitches. Thanks for commenting. There are later ones under my name than these ones that turned out beautifully. Love Chris
7199These napkin rings you've made are lovely. Thanks for sharing your work &the helpful hints too.:~D
6951well you certainly did a lot, hope the problem will be solved because they look so lovely. I didn't do FSL that much so it's not to me to advice. Hope the advives of some cuties here can help. hugs and * for you.
by pennifold
12 Sep 2011
Yes, I got it organised and bought another set. They have turned out beautifully. Love Chris
740306I am bumping this up to the top of the list so others can see the comparisons of the different stitch outs of these Napkin rings by Chris.
Some improvements have been made by Cris in the stitch outs but there appears to be a flaw in the digitizing of these designs.
EastWitch 2
by pennifold
12 Sep 2011
Thanks Eastwitch, you are correct. The designs didn't turn out right for me. Love chris
7969Good question Chris and wonderful answers. Hope you are going to have good results.
by pennifold
02 Sep 2011
I'm going to have another go right now - it's Saturday morning 8.40am - wish me luck. Love Chris
18960They are beautiful at a distance but going in with a close-up you can see the stray threads. I know this must be disheartening! You are a perfectionist and I am sure you will get it all worked out unless it is in the designs and not the the workmanship! If it were me, I would drop the sesign and try another set of napkin rings(at least one anyway) to find out if it is the machine/thresd/tension or if it is the designs! I hate to waste materials as much as I do having a design that is just not right! I am positive that the end results in your napkin holders will be a gorgeous one!
by pennifold
02 Sep 2011
I'm not going to let this get me down - I'm going to give it another go. Love Chris
24961I see what you mean and am reading the suggestions to keep in mind for future reference.
I think they look beautiful from a distance though. It would certainly be much better if it had turned out right. Hopefully you get it corrected.
38558I had a real close look at your pictures of the designs and I think some of the problem is that you didn't use enough stabilizer and also you didn't use the same thread as top thread and bobbin thread.
Parts of the stitching in the designs look very loose as if they are not forming right ans also you have part of the under stitches showing or not covered by the satin stitching.
If I were you I would try one more time Chris.
Use 2 layers of the water soluble stabilizer.
Same embroidery thread in the top and bobbin.
If you can get the Shelf liner and Wonder tape and put that on your hoop.
New needle.
Slow machine down abit for stitching.
If using polyester thread then make sure to slow your machine down when you wind the thread on the bobbin and for stitching for better results as polyester thread stretches when wound on a bobbin or embroidered at high speed.
It then relaxes when the machine slows down during the stitching or stops and this can cause some thread problems in designs.
If you have any rayon embroidery thread I would suggest trying it instead of the polyester thread it may give you better results.
If you still get the same results then take pictures and send all of them to Miems at Dainty Stitches and let her know how disappointed you are and ask her to correct the designs for you and others that may like to buy these designs.
Hopefully she will do this for you!
Gosh I just purchased designs from her and almost bought some of the Napkin Ring sets but didn't yet.
Do you have a Husqvarna/Viking Machine?
You mentioned that you used the VIP format for these designs so I am guesing you do.!
I have a H/V Designer 1 machine.
Let us know how you do.
East Witch2
by pennifold
02 Sep 2011
Wow, you must have done lots of this stuff, your knowledge is great. Yes, I do have a Designer 1 Viking Husqvarna machine. I'm just about to try it again. Two layers of WSS (mine is mesh like fabric) I only have Polyester white thread so that's on top and in the bobbin and I'll post the next one and see what happens. New needle number 75/11. Thanks for everything love chris
7969Hi Chris,.....I do embroidery 12-15 hrs everyday. The napkin holders are very pretty. When I enlarge the photo, I can see what you are saying. Check you needle for a burr, also try using a size 70/10 needle. This will make for a smaller hole.
PS....I am also a perfectioist.
by precise
02 Sep 2011
Hi again, I forgot to tell you that you should use a ball point needle, they are not so sharp and will not cut you water soluable paper.
by pennifold
02 Sep 2011
Thanks precise - I can see from your avatar that you must be a perfectionist.
By the way welcome to this great site - I see you only have 4 flowers, so you must be really new.
I have just put in new needle, but I only have 75/11 - sorry to previous posts I had put 75/12 but they are 11's.
Love and blessings Chris
9Hi Chris,
I did similar ones from dainty stitches I think and after reading your post I washed, dried and looked
closely and have the same thread wiskers as Capoodle
said or spider webs comes to mind. Its on the bobbin side and seen from the top and are very untidy and obvious. Shucks, I used 2 to 3 pieces of Vilene and metro poly.
I think these designs are very intricate and detailed causing more obvious disruptions.
The designing is so tight that less than a hair off
messes up the design which can be caused by tension
microshifting of the WSS, the designers original thread maybe just a bit thicker than ones we are using (I used metro poly), etc.
My solution to the problem is cheating because I dont have time or enough thread for a redo right now.
Trick: Use a craft hot iron with a needle or sharp point to clean up the untidy whiskers after clipping any longer threads.
Took me 30 minutes to clean up 4 napkin rings.
It seals, shows no bumps and looks clean.
I learned this trick from a paper doll designer to clean up whiskers off the edges of applique paper dolls. Its time consuming but works very well to clean up short untidy whiskers. Just have to be careful not melt the design.
Some would never do this and thats okay but hey its
an alternative in a pinch.
PS Dont think it would work with cotton or rayon.
Hugs,
Linda
aka bumblebee
by pennifold
02 Sep 2011
Thanks for your comments Linda - I have one sewing out as I write this post. Wish me luck! Love Chris
376386356I can understand your frustration! I have just tried my first FSL designs so I can't give you any advice. Luckily mine looked better than I ever imagined. So I will dare to make some more.
The napkin rings are really pretty so I hope you can figure out what went wrong!
Lena
by pennifold
02 Sep 2011
Thanks Lena, I'm trying all of the suggestions except one - I don't have a ball point type sewing needle. Love Chris
783put white napkins in the holders and no one will notice.....lol
very pretty...
by pennifold
02 Sep 2011
Aaagh! I'm ahead of you - already thought of that! Great minds think alike! Thanks for commenting love Chris
This has put a smile on my face!
15874I can understand your disappointment, they are lovely designs. I hope you get your problem figured out.
29648I don't believe you are at fault Chris as I had the same problems with the Poinsettia napkin rings, I had to do a lot of hand stitching to hold them together.
Mine were stitched on the Diamond with new needles and Fabric WSS that never lets me down.
I made six of them and they all did exactly the same thing.
by meganne
02 Sep 2011
PS. try two layers of WSS, cut and hooped in opposite directions. (I cut 2 whole strips, place one across, one up and down) don't cut off the overhang but move your design either as far up (or down) and to one side of the hoop as it will go - away from the overhang.
Oh, do you have any of that rubbery material that you put under items to stop them sliding?
If you do, then put some down both sides, in between the two sections of the hoop, it will prevent any possibility of slipping.
by pennifold
02 Sep 2011
Thanks Meg, yes I remember you telling me that. I've just put two layers, criss-crossed them. I've put in a new needle 75/11, have White Polyester thread on top and in bobbin and am listening to the machine purring away. I've lowered the speed to as Eastwitch suggested - the only thing I don't have is a ball point needle for embroidery - I'll have a look through my needle collection after this one is finished. As all of these are about 15,000 - 20,000 stitches they take a while!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a slip guide that looks like foam. I like the idea that Eastwitch suggested looks like those little hand grips you can buy from the supermarket to help you open bottles.
Love to you Chris
122864Chris, these should be so lovely and this happens - I know why you are upset - I see you have plenty advise - by now you have tried some hints and perhaps have had some success. Please update us. Hugs!
by pennifold
02 Sep 2011
Hi Shirlene, I gave up on them yesterday as I had another project going that I wanted to finish.
I'm sewing out a new one right now and it is 9.00am Saturday morning. Wish me luck. Love Chris
211078My goodness me Chris, when I double clicked I could see very clearly how bad it is. Like you I like things perfect. Are you maybe a virgo too lol. Anyway, I always put same bobbin as top thread and use the thick like plastic Wash-away. Please let us know how you got on with them once you tried another one.Hope it will be better.good luck edith
by pennifold
02 Sep 2011
Pretty close Edith - I'm a Libran and like everything balanced - a perfectionist to a fault, some people would call be anal! Ha ha he he!!!
I don't have any thick plastic WSS. I have a plastic one but it is finer, but I much prefer the mesh like one that looks like vilene. Thanks for your comments, love Chris
57801I have done quite a few FSL's lately adnI just noticed; I knew my needle needed changing - I just wanted to get one more in tonight and also I was cheating on stabilizer and pieced it together. It was not taut in the frame as when I use new all the way around, The result is - my piece is not as clean as usual. I can tell mostly in the areas that are semi filled in. Do you need to change your needle? Happy Stitching! christine
by pennifold
02 Sep 2011
Thanks for your comments. I had put the WSS in taut and I always make sure of that. I'm trying criss-cross piecing at the moment as Meganne suggested. Love Chris
P.S. New needle, bobbin and top thread the same just hope this helps it.
173580Nobody likes to see the thread whiskers. Have no idea what caused this to happen and wonder if someone else could stitch one out on a different machine to see if it is just a machine attitude with this particular design. I do like how pretty they look on the red background.
89895Chris, "they" always say to use the smallest hoop possible. I didn't see whether you stitched more than one at a time, but I know that when I've tried to do 2-4 small designs like this in one hooping there seems to be more of a problem. I have done some FSL lace ornaments like this - very stitch-intensive 25000 stitches, and used Ultra-Solvy with great success. It's available at JoAnns and a good price with a half-off coupon. It looks like a clear heavy vinyl and is very sturdy, but washes out like a dream. It was recommended by the designer and I was pleased with the outcome. As far as what went wrong, it could be any of the things others mentioned or a combination. Also make sure that the hoop is tightened as much as it can be, very very tight. WSS seems to stretch if it has the opportunity. One other thought - Don't skimp on the amount of stabilizer that hangs over the edge. Sometimes I try to get by with just a little bit sticking out around the hoop and I'm always sorry afterwards. It just doesn't pay to cut corners sometimes. Good luck to you, Chris! Be sure to give us an update so we can all learn.
Bev
by pennifold
02 Sep 2011
Thanks Bev,
I'm going to have another go with one of them to see if all the information offered here will help. Love Chris
81Did you do more than one at a time in the hoop? Sometimes this can may them slip just enough to mess up.
67271Try using 2 layers of water soluble stabilizer.
If you can re download the designs and see if that makes a difference.
Or if you can download the DST format in the designs and then convert them to you format that your machine uses.
Sometimes problems occur whe FSL designs are converted from the original digitzed format to other machine formats.
Clean the bobbin area of your machine.
Make sure your bobbin thread is wound right on the bobbin.
Were you suing the same thread for top thread and bobbin thread?
EastWitch2
by pennifold
02 Sep 2011
I'll try more stabiliser - I used bobbin thread in the bobbin! Maybe that was the problem. I'll just try white polyester in top and bottom. It was originally downloaded in my VIP from Secrets and I've never ever had any problems with any of their designs before. Thanks once again Eastwitch for all your concern. Lov eChris
7969Sorry I forgot to push add link so here it is.
Criswell K- Lace Link.
http://www.criswell-emb.com/album...
This shows how to use Wonder Tape and the Shelf Liner strips on the bottom of your inner hoop.
7969Which type of thread did you use for the Napkin Holders?
Did you user 1 or 2 layers of water soluble stabilizer?
When I mentioned that your water soluble stabilizer may be slipping while you embroider there is a solution that you could try.
I am posting a link for you to the Criswell K Lace website that shows how to apply Wonder Tape and Shelf Liner Strips on the bottom of your inner hoop. This will stop your water soluble stabilizer from slipping or moving in the hoop while you embroider.
You can click on each photo to see a close up of each picture.
Also make sure to use a new needle and change it often as they become dull quickly when stitching FSL.
If possible slow your machine down just a bit when stitching these.
If you used polyester thread perhaps try Rayon thread and see if that makes a difference in how they stitch.
EastWitch2
7969Is it possible that your free standing water soluble stabilizer is slipping in the hoop while you embroider them out and that is causing the parts of the design to not line up leaving some of the threads showing?
Other than that it may be a digitizing problem that needs to be corrected.
East Witch2
East Witch
7969Yes i see what you mean once i tried a different thread and it corrected itself hugs carolyn
360433Are these Dainty Stitches designs on the Secrets website?
They are pretty!
Perhaps you should contact the digitzer and send her the phots of the stitched out designs so they can see what has happened.
They may have to correct the designs for you.
Worth a try!
EastWitch2
by pennifold
01 Sep 2011
Thanks for all of your help Eastwitch2 - I'll try a different thread. The WSS was perfectly hooped and didn't slip. I used a number 11/75 needle and it was new. I only use the mesh like WSS as I don't like the plastic looking one. Once again thanks for all your input. I really appreciate it. Love Chris
by eastwitch2
01 Sep 2011
Even when we think that stabilizer is hooped right it can slip.
FSL has many stitches and when the needle puctures the stabilizer so many times to form all those stitches it pulls and pushes on the stabilizer and tends to pull it into the middle of the hoop.
When this happens parts of a design will not line up right.
Water soluble stabilizer is pretty light weight and it moves easily in our hoops while we stitch.
We don;t see the movement of the stabilizer but the design results show it.
I use the mesh like water soluble stabilizer too and I also use the Wonder tape and shelf liner strips on all my hoops for all my embroidery with great results.
EastWitch2
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70767UGH! That is horrible! I would be so disappointed. I am not sure who SOE is I have only some dainty titches so far with no problems.
by pennifold
01 Sep 2011
SOE is Secrets of Embroidery
http://www.secretsof.com/content/...
The designs are number 6 and 7 with the red background.
173580Chris you are aware of the problem but it is quite possible that non sewers are not. If it doi were mine I too would be cross. Sorry but I am not able to help but do look forward to others answers
by pennifold
01 Sep 2011
Thanks Caroline - the problem is I am a perfectionist and it frustrates me when something I make isn't what I intended it to be. I am thankful for your input. Love Chris
114376I meant to say double click on the picture and you can see where all the threads haven't been captured. I am so disappointed!!! Can you tell!!!!!!
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