thanks a lot for your advice.i had to learn a lot about sewing and embroidery from the mistakes. I got a daughter-in-law interested in quilting and she is on her second one. We need to help this younger generation learn about the good feelings you get by making things. I think that we are artists working with material and not paints.We don't need pills for tension,sewing takes care of that. My mother used to say you couldn't worry about troubles while you are counting stitches. thanks again cuties