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by mops Moderator ( edited 13 Jun 2014 ) 13 Jun 2014

Embird redwork question.


I got a PM with this question from someone who wants to remain unknown.

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When I do lineart, I use Embird's single stitch for the outlines, with a backward path, so the design stitches twice. Carolyn Keber says this is not redwork.

What do I call a design like this? Lineart?

And what do I have to do to call it redwork? Do I use Embird's redwork stitch for the second line, and single stitch for the first line?

I have a design that was manually digized. It does not matter what I do, one line (only one!) refuses to stitch perfectly on top of the first. I always create the second line using Embird's "create backward path" function. I can not seem to fix it. I deleted the line and recreated it multiple times, nothing will fix it.

When I started digitizing, I asked Carolyn Keber about it, and send her my eof file. She said there was nothing wrong, but if I stitch it in jef on my Elna 8600, the line is visibly double.

Do you have any idea as to what may cause it and how I can fix it?

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I don't know why you can't call a double run Redwork. What I do know is that you want it to stitch out without jumps - unless there are loose elements to the design of course.
Using a backward path usually does not give a good result. So I use the "arrange outline parts". That works well. It even lets you set the parameters and after combining does the forward parts in single stitch and the backward ones in the chosen stitch. You get a continuous run going over all parts twice.

Embird offers a so-called redwork stitch - it stitches each stitch 5 times - and has a default setting of 3.5 mm;the single stitch is default 2.0; the triple stitch 2.5. You can even use sketch or satin stitch and the arrange outlines tool works for those as well.

Experiment with a simple design, like the leaf I show in the pictures. Just make sure the three leaves have a node in common - in this case where the stems touch. Copy the parts before you combine them, give each their own parameters, use "arrange outlines" (the "tree") - the last picture shows what the software has done when I used the "tree" - stitch it out, write the settings you used on it and keep it in your personal reference bible.

Tests like that are not a waste of time and material, on the contrary they are a very effective way to get to grips with your software.

As for the one line you are talking about - did you have a look in Studio and make sure the nodes were touching (use "snap to nearest node)?

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by graceandham 15 Jun 2014

Thanks, Martine, for another great lesson. So, what you're saying about over 65 is, we can't PAY you for this info? WOW!! There are some benefits to volunteering, one of which is, you can sorta do what you want to, for only as long as you want to. (And you don't have to follow a dress code!) God bless you!

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by anssmile 15 Jun 2014

Hi

Thanks for all the time you spend in creating tutorials! I just laughed myself into an asthma attack reading your comment to Sue not to encourage questions.

We are all (well, a lot of us!) picking up a lot of things from these little tutorials.

Keep up the good work!
Anneliese

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anssmile by anssmile 15 Jun 2014

I use my eof files stored in my Embird library quite a lot. Now if only I can remember to back them up before installing a new version of Embird... Luckily I can easily get them back, but it would be so much easier to put all my library files back without going through the pain of recreating ...

mops by mops 15 Jun 2014

Copy them to a different file outside Embird. I have a file called "useful items" under my embroidery file - I save the whole library lot after I've added some new useful things to one of the subfiles. Which reminds me ... LOL

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by rescuer Moderator 13 Jun 2014

You are so kind and so very generous!
Thank you for the wonderful tutorial I will keep it -- as I am saving for my next software purchase. This information will be useful to me no matter the software I use.

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by basketkase 13 Jun 2014

What a wealth of knowledge you are, Martine and kudos to you for always taking the time to help someone else....and you are always so thorough.....I believe you could be teaching "for a salary" somewhere!!
Again, I wish I had embird just to be able to utilize your tutorials!

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mops by mops 13 Jun 2014

Thank you.
I have the (expensive) 6D Premium, but for digitising I prefer (the so much cheaper) Embird. Other parts I use to a certain extend and I would not really like to be without it.
You know I love some of the features of Artista, ever since I came to be aware of the ripple stitch. And Brother's PE has a nice spiral that could be useful. But I spent enough on s.w. as it is and can do most things I want to do. Too old to be employed anywhere.

basketkase by basketkase 13 Jun 2014

Never too old, darlin'!!

mops by mops 13 Jun 2014

65 and over and there's no way you get a job here. Only voluntary work.

rescuer by rescuer 13 Jun 2014

There is always Craftsy.com

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by petdenhan 13 Jun 2014

Thank you so very much for all your help....thumbs up to a true professional....I've save this info for future use ... Denise xxx

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mops by mops 13 Jun 2014

Thank you.

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by pcteddyb 13 Jun 2014

Someday I hope to learn to digitize. I keep all of your words of wisdom so I will have them for reference then. Thank You.

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mops by mops 13 Jun 2014

Thanks for that!

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by mops Moderator 13 Jun 2014

Thank you all for your nice comments. Flowers for you all.

I could not resist playing with that simple shape and added a couple of spirals and a few flowers.

For the Embird users: put the .eof-file of things like flowers and leaves you might use more often in Embird32 or Embird 64 / Studio/ Library and create a new category and save it there. You can open it in Studio whenever you are digitising.

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by spendlove Moderator 13 Jun 2014

Thanks, Martine. Another very useful explanation. Thank you for taking the time and trouble (and thanks to whoever asked!)

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mops by mops 13 Jun 2014

Don't encourage her :)

spendlove by spendlove 13 Jun 2014

LOL

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by lindav 13 Jun 2014

Thanks for all your good info about redwork. I do not do regular digitizing but I use the font engine to create similar items with dingbats.
If I want it to look more authentically like redwork I use the redwork choice in Embird. I usually lengthen the stitches a bit, but that is just my preference. I have seen various styles of hand stitched redwork so I am sure that using various styles with machine outlines is just as workable.

Linda V

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mops by mops 13 Jun 2014

Lengthening the stitches gives the hand-stitched feel, but when the curves are tiny it leads to rather zigzaggy lines with sharp corners. I think it depends on the drawing you use what stitch length would give the nicest results.

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by jrob Moderator 13 Jun 2014

Martine, what a gold mine of knowledge you are! I so appreciate digitizers, well, good digitizers and I know that I don't want to learn to digitize, at least not now. Thank you for your hard work in helping others and making sense out of a very confusing concept.

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mops by mops 13 Jun 2014

Thank you.

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by 02kar Moderator 13 Jun 2014

I am so grateful for you and your designs. I don't and never will digitize. I love seeing you mentor those that are interested in learning. Thanks for doing this.

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mops by mops 13 Jun 2014

Thank you.

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by marianb 13 Jun 2014

Thank you Martine, I don't digitize yet but are planning to try in the near future. I am keeping a file with your handy hints so I will remember how if the need arises..Marian

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mops by mops 13 Jun 2014

Thank you.

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by pennifold 13 Jun 2014

You are wonderful to help out this "anonymous" Cutie Martine. I am sure she will find all of your information very useful. Thank you also for all of your time and effort in setting out what it takes to do a digitised design. You are an angel, love and blessings Chris

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mops by mops 13 Jun 2014

Thank you Chris. The digitising took less than 10 minutes, taking the screenshots, writing the instructions, uploading the pictures almost an hour. So I hope more Embird users will find it helpful.
Love and blessings to you too. Martine

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