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by sewmom ( edited 04 Jan 2016 ) 03 Jan 2016

Pull compensation help please. I've made a satin frame and then there is a filled rectangle inside it. When I stitch out the rectangle the outside edges overlap the frame just a bit and I can see that it's pulling the frame edges in a little. Do I reduce or increase the pull compensation of the inside filled rectangle?


This is on a medium weight cotton. Stabilizer is 2 layers of tear away.
First picture is my most recent attempt and you can see on the right where the gold has overlapped the white outline. I also have some loopy loose stitches in the gold on the right corner area and the left corner area and I'm not sure why since that didn't happen on my previous attempts. (The only difference is that this one used prewound bobbins.)

Second picture is one of the previous attempts. Since that one I have reduced the size of the rectangle just a touch and reduced the density of the gold area. But you can see how much the blue frame has pulled in on this picture.

I'm afraid if I stitch the frame last then the gold edges will look curved. So my next thought was to change pull compensation but I'm not sure which way to go: increase or decrease. I also reduced the size of the rectangle just a bit more for the next try which I haven't stitched yet.

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by sewmom 14 Jan 2016

Success! I had already reduced the gold area in size (before adding stitches) so I reduced pull compensation from .2 to .1
If I were going to sell this or make it for someone else I might work on making the edge straighter but for my purposes it's perfect.
Thanks for the help!

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dragonflyer by dragonflyer 14 Jan 2016

Glad you worked it all out...looks great!

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by dragonflyer 06 Jan 2016

See what you mean..but sometimes I need to adjust the actual stitch nodes to get the proper pull or push compensation at the spot where it is actually needed...just adjusting the overall setting doesn't always accomplish the job...

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sewmom by sewmom 06 Jan 2016

What nodes do you mean? Stitch points?

dragonflyer by dragonflyer 07 Jan 2016

They are the "nodes" or "mouse click points" you put in when manually punching your design...and often when I am digitizing, I place my "clicks" or "nodes" to the inside or outside of the object to manually punch the push or pull compensation...here is a link to a simple look at push and pull...

http://www.digitizingfactory.com/...

dragonflyer by dragonflyer 07 Jan 2016

...forgot to say...when you digitize the push or pull when digitizing..you can make the compensations in the design exactly where you need them to be rather than using a setting from your software that adjusts the whole design...hope I am making sense here...

sewmom by sewmom 07 Jan 2016

Thank you. I'll check out the link.

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by mops Moderator edited 04 Jan 2016

Not having a picture makes answering a bit of a quess. The overlap might be due to a too high setting of the compensation, but there could be a number of other causes.
- I would stitch the filled rectangle first and then the frame.
- have you created an underlay for your rectangle?
- is your stabiliser OK
- your tension might be a bit high
- what is the angle of your stitch direction? Avoid 0, 45 and 90 degrees.
- reducing the pull compensation reduces the size in the stitch direction, increasing it would increase your problem.

Hope that helps.

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mops by mops 04 Jan 2016

Oops, it should be guess.

sewmom by sewmom edited 04 Jan 2016

Thank you mops. I added some pictures and some more detail in the post. The stitches are at an angle. Tension might be a little high. I've been working around 4.6 since I had my machine in the shop last. They said the spring was wearing out and it won't ever be the same as when it was new.

sewmom by sewmom 04 Jan 2016

I used to work at tension 4.0

sewmom by sewmom 04 Jan 2016

My frame is actually not satin, it's fill and then a bean stitch inner outline.

mops by mops 04 Jan 2016

I see what you mean.
Two layers of stabiliser should be enough and the fill loks good s well.
My normal settings are D=4.5 (or 4.3 when I use white on a dark background); comp=0.2 or 0.3 . I use the higher value for circles, pull tends to make them slightly oval instead of round.
I always try to digitise/embroider from the center outwards, in this case I would stitch the frame last. It should not make a difference, but often it does. Or you could cheat and make the rectangle a tiny bit narrower and leave a small gap.
Frustrating when the design looks well in the software and stitches out less nice.

mops by mops 04 Jan 2016

I hate working on my iPad, I missed several letters ...

sewmom by sewmom 04 Jan 2016

No problem, I can read what you mean. I really appreciate your help. I'm working on taxes and this so it will take some time to do another run.
My pull compensation is at .02 (the automatic setting).

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